Karpathy on Dwarkesh Podcast

OCT 21, 2025

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Andrej Karpathy on Dwarkesh Podcast

The infamous "AGI is still a decade away" statement:

I’ve been in AI for almost two decades. It’s going to be 15 years or so, not that long. You had Richard Sutton here, who was around for much longer. I do have about 15 years of experience of people making predictions, of seeing how they turned out. Also I was in the industry for a while, I was in research, and I’ve worked in the industry for a while. I have a general intuition that I have left from that.

I feel like the problems are tractable, they’re surmountable, but they’re still difficult. If I just average it out, it just feels like a decade to me.

Neural networks were definitely a thing around 2012 when I was midway through my undergraduate program, amongst a larger ensemble of "machine learning" (terminology which seems to be much less used today).

Recently I went back all the way to 1989 which was a fun exercise for me, a few years ago, because I was reproducing Yann LeCun’s 1989 convolutional network, which was the first neural network I’m aware of trained via gradient descent, like modern neural network trained gradient descent on digit recognition. I was just interested in how I could modernize this. How much of this is algorithms? How much of this is data? How much of this progress is compute and systems? I was able to very quickly halve the learning just by time traveling by 33 years.

So if I time travel by algorithms 33 years, I could adjust what Yann LeCun did in 1989, and I could halve the error. But to get further gains, I had to add a lot more data, I had to 10x the training set, and then I had to add more computational optimizations. I had to train for much longer with dropout and other regularization techniques.

Progress (towards AGI) doesn't feel non-linear to me. The improvements in algorithms, data, and compute are fantastic and the usefulness is greatly advanced but the spaces in which AI plays still largely feel the same to me. Temperature doesn't equal creativity, and knowledge doesn't equal understanding.